Thursday, January 9, 2014

KOUROS: The Scent of Gods (1/2)




Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent


The ultimate guide to YSL Kouros for perfume enthusiasts and fragrance collectors: from rare vintage bottles to modern releases, including the history of each period, boxes, labels, and expert tips to help you identify all Kouros fragrances with confidence.

This article is divided in two parts: this is the first one.
Here you will find:
- Introduction.
- YSL and Kouros: a brief overview.
- Kouros (1981-2017).
- Ratings.
- Pictures.

In the part nr. 2 you will find:
-Kouros Launch Party in Paris (February 20th, 1981)
-Flankers (1986-2014).
-Body Line.
-Special Bottles.
-Gift Sets
-Accessories.
-Miniatures.
-Advertising.
-Miscellaneous.
you can find the part nr.2 HERE

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INTRODUCTION

Actually, Kouros has no need of introduction: put simply, it's the most famous "love it, or hate it" perfume.
Nothing as Kouros - and I mean absolutely nothing - has been able since its apparition to to split the audience so radically: on a side there are the fanatic lovers, exalting it beyond any description ("The scent of Gods," it's the usual definition of Kouros ). 
On the other side,  people fiercely hating it: "Kouros smells like sweat plus other disgusting body odors", it's commonly said.
But what causes this heating discussion? It's the fact that Kouros tries to imitate the natural scent of human skin, "fresh and clean". As supporters say, it is an extraordinary perfume of  "a pure Man". 
On the contrary, detractors change it in: "a dirty Man".
Anyway, Kouros is certainly one of the scents that made ​​the History of Perfumery.

In production without interruptions since 1981, a blockbuster that made Yves Saint Laurent's fortune, this scent survived through decades, but unfortunately, suffered heavy reformulations. Now more than 30 years after it's quite different from early years. Early versions are now considered by many experts as "the best", using the finest ingredients. During a press conference in 1981, Kouros was described by a spokesman: "the most expensive male perfume on the market now".  


"Living Gods have their own scent: Kouros"


in order to understand many of the things outlined in this article, you should go 
read the story of the mother house Yves Saint Laurent, the five historical periods, and its perfume division (here)

Year: 1981
Top notes: Artemisia, Aldehydes, Clary Sage, Bergamot, Coriander
Middle notes: Orris root, Carnation, Vetiver, Geranium, Jasmine, Cinnamon Patchouli.
Base Notes: Oakmoss, Civet, Honey, Vanilla, Musk, Leather, Amber, TonkaBean. 
Scent created by: Pierre Bourdon. 
Bottle designed by: Alain de Mourgues. 




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Yves Saint Laurent and KOUROS: a brief overview.
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1963-1986: This is the first period of YSL perfumes, or "Charles of the Ritz" Era. Kouros was created in 1980, and launched in 1981. The early years are dominated by the "Paris-type" (or "Charles-of-the-Ritz" type) bottle and box. In these years, Kouros is at its maximum power brilliance. 

At the end of 1986 the American stint (or "Parfums Corp." Era) starts; it will last until 1993
Kouros bottles and boxes sport slightly different labels.
It is said that a first reformulation took place during year 1986, with slight attenuation of its animalic scent, in order to get a favourable opinion from international audience. However, this is an highly debated argument ("the Ghost Reformulation", since many people claimed no reformulation occurred). 
First flanker was launched in 1986: Kouros "Eau de Sport", lately renamed "Sport" (discontinued in 1993). 
During these years, two different body lines appeared, named "Kouros Formule Sport" (1986) and "Formule Soin" (1987).
During 1991 a third body line was launched: "Kouros En Plein Air".

1993: The so-called "Sanofi Era" begins; it will will last until 1999. Kouros bottle remained the same, the box underwent other minor changes. The scent is, approximately, the same than the previous "American" period. 
Another flanker was launched in 1993: Kouros "Eau Fraicheur" (two different packagings; discontinued in 2001). 
At the end of this period, traditional Kouros box underwent a significant change, losing the typical "twin white stripes".

1999: The "PPR-Gucci Era" begins. Although slightly reformulated, Kouros still maintains its particular quality. Another major change in packaging occurred in 2003
Although it is commonly believed that Yves Saint Laurent dicontinued "splash bottles" (i.e. "non-spray" bottles) at the end of the Nineties, however, Kouros "splash" bottles were produced until 2003 at least.
Since 2002, there were lots of flankers launched, almost every year ("Eau d'Ete", "Cologne Sport" "Summer Fragrance"...). 
During 2002, a limited "Traveller Edition" twin-bottle appeared.
After 2004, the mandatory list of ingredients on the box (i.e.  the so-called "allergens list") was adopted.
According to many people, during years 2004-2005 a major reformulation happened, watering-down the scent.

since 2008: These were "L'Oreal" years. Again, there were heavy reformulations during this period. Many perfume lovers claimed these reformulations as "disappointing". In 2011 Kouros appeared to be a quite different scent than the one launched exactly 30 years before. 
Since 2011, the bottle doesn't sport its typical "metallic base and shoulders" anymore.

Warning
One of the biggest problem in dating perfumes is the discrepancy between batch-codes and labels on the box/bottle. This happens because many producers continued to use old, out-of-date boxes, until end of stocks. So you can easily see modern batch-codes on ancient boxes, and find it confusing. In these situations you should trust the batch code more than the box.

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KOUROS
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First Period 
("Charles of the Ritz",1981-1986)


Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
The "Paris" bottle (above and below)
the first one and the rarest.(1981-1986)
Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Notice difference in color under artificial (above)
and natural light (below), since it's the same box

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent


Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
The "Paris bottle derives its name 
from the "Paris" word, on the corner of the box

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
During 1981 and 1982 there was no Estimated Sign on the boxes, although already used in other YSL perfumes.

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
During 1983-1985/86, the Estimated Sign appears on the boxes.
Important to say, there are no differences in scent.
                     
Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
No symbol on the upper side of the box (silver-mirror)

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
No differences on the back side of the boxes

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
The bottom of the box, 
with the typical "Charles of the Ritz" labelling

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Details

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
The Twin (Double) White Stripes: Details

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
The Twin (Double) White Stripes: Details

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Bottom side of boxes ,years 1981-1986

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Content: Perfume, blue protective cardboard,
blue brochure

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent


Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
year 1981 Brochure:
presentation of a "New YSL products: Kouros."

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent


Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
The Cap with the YSL "carved" logo

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
The typical silver-metal bottom of the bottle, with the YSL lettering.
IMPORTANT: during first years (1981-1985)
the batch code could be "painted"

this batch code is 20781 = beginning of 1982

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Another silver base of the bottle, probably year 1981.
There are even bases without any inscription.

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Another view of the base of the bottle.

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
"Paris" bottles produced during 1983-1986 
can sport  the batch code on the bottom or
 on  the front side (below)
Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
CAN YOU SEE THE BATCH CODE?
("Paris" bottles, 1983-1986)

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
this batch number is 61701 = year 1986

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent


Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Batch number 53301 = year 1985


IMPORTANT: all "Paris" bottles sport 
the word KOUROS roughly in the middle 
of the height of the bottle

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WARNING
There are a few (very) rare bottles sporting both the word "Paris" and "New York"
on a typical First Era box. These bottles are presumably produced for US market
(thanks to Michal)
Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent

and here is a bottle batched year 1984 by Jon Wilson

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent

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SECOND PERIOD
"Parfums Corp." (1986-1993)


Still debated if a reformulation occurred, weakening the animalic notes.
Perfume still at full force.
Minor differences in both box and bottle.

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
In 1986 the American Years began, and there are a few changes:
1 the word Paris disappears.
2 the Twin White Stripes tighten.
3-a short list of ingredients appears
4- the word KOUROS appears on the back of the box, too.
5 -both box and bottle sport the word KOUROS 
on the upper part, not in the middle
6 - word Parfums Corp. appears on the bottom of the bottle
YSL logo appears on the upper side of the box.

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Differences between Paris bottle (1981-1986) on LEFT,
and Parfums Corp bottle (1986-1993) on RIGHT
                         
Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
The word "Paris" disappears (above and bottom)

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent


Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Twin White Stripes tightens,
and ingredients appear.

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
White protective cardboard with white brochure

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent


Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent


Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Bottom of the box with the label "Parfums Corp"

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
IMPORTANT: during the Second Period (1986-1993)
the word KOUROS  moves on the upper part of the bottle


Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Paris bottle (left)
ParfumsCorp bottle (right)


Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Bottom of the bottle

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
YSL logo on the upper side of the box

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
"Paris" box (on left) - "Parfums Corp" box (on right)

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
"Paris" box (on left) - "Parfums Corp" box (on right)

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
"Paris" box (on left) - "Parfums Corp" box (on right)

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Paris box (left)
ParfumsCorp box (right)

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
"Paris" box (on left) - "Parfums Corp" box (on right)


Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
"Paris" box (on left) - "Parfums Corp" box (on right)

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
"Paris" box (on left) - "Parfums Corp" box (on right)

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Back of the boxes: 
stripes tighten and word "Kouros" appears.


Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
"Paris" box (on left) - "Parfums Corp" box (on right)


Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
"Paris" box (on left) - "Parfums Corp" box (on right)
Back sides

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
"Paris" box (on left) - "Parfums Corp" box (on right)
the old-type thin barcode could appear on Parfums Corp. boxes


Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
 "Parfums Corp" box (upper box)
"Paris" box (lower box)

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Details

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Details

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
YSL logo on the cap is initially CARVED;
later it will be EMBOSSED


Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Batch number still on the front side of the bottle
here batch  nr.02901 = year 1990.


Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
 "Paris" bottle (left) and "Parfum Corp" (right)

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Differences between bottles.
Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Brochure presenting the flanker "Eau de Sport" (1986)

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
in a few cases reported, batch number 
is written inside the box. In this case 0290 = year 1990


batch nr. 91081 = year 1989

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
50ml and 100ml "Parfums Corp"

50ml and 100ml "Parfums Corp"

Details

50ml and 100ml "Parfums Corp" bases

Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent
Indication of  %vol.  will disappear during next period 
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WARNING: "The Ghost Reformulation"
It seems during 1986 Kouros underwent a first reformulation in order to smoother the "animalic" notes and make it more "acceptable" to a wider audience. This is an highly debated question. Some people affirm there are notable, significant differences, since the civet appears "toned down"; personally, I didn't found so many differences between first and second version. Both appeared magnificent, and Kouros still irradiates in its full force. 
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Vintage Kouros barcode batch code Saint Laurent

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THIRD PERIOD:
"Sanofi" (1993-1999)


This is a complicate period, bottle and box underwent changes 
and the only way to determine date is checking the batch number.
The silver, metallic base continues to sport the old "ParfumsCorp." labelling.
Scent still appears excellent.


"Parfums Corp" on left
"Sanofi", on right

During Sanofi period (1993-1999), 
all quantity indications are "dark on dark"

Many Sanofi bases have the old "ParfumCorp" label. 
In many cases, the word 80% disappears.
To determine date and period,
you must check the batch number


"Sanofi" (left, with Greendot and Barcode) - "Parfum Corp" (right)


Sanofi (upper)
ParfumsCorp (lower)

In many Sanofi bottles,
the  80% VOL indication disappears


ParfumsCorp and Sanofi bottles are pretty identical 
Some very slight differences in height 
due to spray/splash



Parfums Corp (upper, white "quantity" lettering)
Sanofi (lower, dark "quantity" lettering)




WARNING:
 during "Sanofi" period, the batch number 
is written on the back of the bottle.
batch 42141 = year 1994

ParfumsCorp, on left
Sanofi, on right

ParfumsCorp, on left
Sanofi, on right

Sanofi box, bottom side
Note the barcode and the Greendot.


ParfumsCorp (upper)
Sanofi (lower)


"ParfumsCorp" 1.6fl.oz in white
"Sanofi", 1.6 fl. oz, in dark blue


BACK SIDES (Parfums Corp on left - Sanofi on right)
Sanofi boxes: ingredients are listed on the back
NOTE: the back-side of the Sanofi box is DIFFERENT

not twisting stripes , but linear ones.

LATERAL SIDES (Parfums Corp on left - Sanofi on right)
NO ingredients on the side of the "Sanofi" box
("Sanofi" bottles have ingredients on the back side only)


(ParfumsCorp on left - Sanofi on right)
(ParfumsCorp on left - Sanofi on right)

Sanofi bottle batch nr. 83481 = year 1998 







ParfumsCorp (upper)
Sanofi (lower)

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WARNING
(from Ebay)  this is a "transition" bottle between 
"Sanofi" and following "PPR-GUCCI" period.
 the TWIN WHITE STRIPES on the box
 disappear, only one stripe remains; bottles are identical 

during year 1999/2000 splash bottles bacame rarer and rarer. 
Late "Sanofi" boxes and early "PPR-Gucci" ones 
are almost identical, except for labelling

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FOURTH PERIOD: 
"PPR-GUCCI Era" (1999-2007)

since 2000, splash bottles became rarer.
The last splash bottle appeared reportedly in 2003.
There are TWO different types of box: early box
 (with a short list of ingredients),and late box (long list of ingredients)
some scent reformulation occurred.



kouros
PPR-GUCCI early box , year 2003
(almost identical to late "Sanofi" one)

PPR-GUCCI late box, year 2007

late PPR-GUCCI typical bottle:
note the word "eau de Toilette" on the bottom.

New  laberlling: "YSL Parfums", NEUILLY CEDEX

Early (2003) and late (2007) PPR-GUCCI bottles
you can see the differences

Parfums Corp  ( on left )
late PPR-Gucci (on right)
NOTE the line "Eau de Toilette" moved on bottom




PPR-GUCCI early box (2003)
with the short list of ingredients

Late PPR-GUCCI box since 2005 , 
introducing the "long list of ingredients"

PPR-GUCCI label, note the wording "YSL Parfums"

back of late  PPR GUCCI bottle
with the long list of ingredients

(note the last ingredient: 2YF02-2. During next L'Oreal period
 it will became 2YF02-3, then disappear)

on the back of the bottle
batch 7JAA = year 2007






The bottom of the bottle, with the address "Neuilly Cedex France"
both early and late bottles have identical bottoms.

Bottom of PPR-GUCCI bottle, note the address "NEUILLY"

Sanofi box (above)
PPR-Gucci box (bottom)
Late PPR-Gucci box (left)
Sanofi box (right)

Late PPR Gucci (left)
SANOFI (right)

Late PPR-Gucci box (left)
ParfumsCorp box (right).

Paris bottle (left)
late PPR-Gucci bottle(right)
Paris bottle (left)
late PPR-Gucci (right)
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WARNING: "plastic" bottles.
Some PPR-Gucci bottles are made of plastic instead of "enamel".
Although Kouros is a counterfeited scent, these bottles are genuine.
Always check for the mandatory batch-number,
 on the back of the bottle


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Fifth Period: 
"L'Oreal Era" (2008)


significant consecutive reformulations occurred. The scent appears progressively toned-down and "flattened".
There are changes in boxes and bottles. Label "B.R.I." (L'Oreal Labs) and YSL Beautè appear.


L'Oreal style box and bottle since 2011:
notice the missing silver base and shoulder
you can read "BRI Neuilly"and "YSL Beaute"

year 2008-2010 bottles: , note the "2YF02-3" ingredient,
a bit weaker than previous "2YF02-2". 

Since 2011, without the "2YF02-3" ingredient.
This is an even weaker version than previous ones.

year 2012 L'Oreal box (front and back side)
note the new YSL BEAUTE label


Early  PPR-Gucci (on left)
year 2012 L'Oreal  (on right)

Early PPR-Gucci box (left)
Year 2012 L'Oreal box  (right)

Typical bottom, without the silver, metallic plate.

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YEAR 2015 and beyond....
during year 2015, l'Oreal launched a new packaging.

Comparison between year 2011 box (on left)
and three "new" ones, year 2015 (on right) 

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The F.I.L. (Fragrance Ingredients List)
reported on the boxes since 2005:
2006-2008 : "2YF02-2"
2009-2011: "2YF02-3"
2012-2015: "B45376-1"
since 2015: "165825-2"
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RATINGS
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-First Period ("Paris" bottles, 1981-1986): 10/10 cum laude
-Second Period ("ParfumsCorp." bottles , 1986-1993, including the "Ghost reformulation", still debated) : 10/10
-Third Period ("Sanofi" bottles, 1993-1999): 10/10
-Fourth Period ("PPR-GUCCI" bottles) : 
Early Gucci Bottles (1999-2004) : 9/10 
Late Gucci bottles: (2005-2008): 8/10
-Fifth period ("L'Oreal" bottles) since year 2008 : 7/10   
after year 2010: 6/10

It is commonly said that KOUROS retains its peculiarities until 2004-2005. 
If you like KOUROS I strongly suggest you to search bottles produced before 2004-2005.
However, if you like the "animalic" qualities of this scent I strongly recommend you to search, roughly said, the oldest you can find. In this case the motto "the older, the better" is really poignant.


LONGEVITY and SILLAGE

Kouros is a really strong perfume; all versions last for at least 7 hours on skin. there is no significant difference in performances between skin and fabric. 
High sillage.
Suitable for both winter and summer.
                    



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PICTURES
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Artwork by Damien Blottière






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EXHIBITION
(all pics provided by Cytherian,
from Basenotes.net, year 2015)

A rare "Parfums Corp." bottle signed Paris-NewYork,
and "Made in USA" (above and bottom)


Early bottles: different bottoms

Early bottles: different fronts


"Fraicheurs"


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